Issues Affecting American Indians in Tennessee
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    Issues Affecting American Indians in Tennessee


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    Re: Kentucky now facing state recognition

    Donna D
    http://www.wfpl.org/2010/11/18/in-depth-lawmaker-pushing-for-native-american-recognition/

    At least he's talking about criteria--


    Is the Meeks in Kentucky the same as the Meeks that was in Tennessee not long ago? Looks like state hopping...

    Re: Kentucky now facing state recognition

    I just hope that the kentucky state legislators have a little more sense than our state's brain trust does. Anyone, absolutely anyone can claim to be a Native American, very few can back up the claim.

    Re: Kentucky now facing state recognition

    I don't THINK there's any connection between James Meeks and the Representative Meeks from Louisville, but, heck, I don't know his family connections... Anyway, they are not the same person, but maybe related?

    Re: Kentucky now facing state recognition

    http://www.wfpl.org/2010/11/18/in-depth-lawmaker-pushing-for-native-american-recognition/

    my comment to this BS:
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    Donna says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    November 23, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    the state has no business handing out ‘recognition’. The Nations/Tribes
    already exist and would be relatives of those claiming to be American
    Indians. REAL ‘recognition’ can only come in the form of acknowledgement
    from their own relatives. IF those seeking ‘recognition’ can prove their
    relationship, they should petition for enrollment. State “recognition’
    without proof is meaningless and should be to anyone serious about their
    claims.

    Re: Kentucky now facing state recognition

    REAL ‘recognition’ can only come in the form of acknowledgement from their own relatives. [/quote]

    True. However, things often don't work quite so smoothly in the real world. People are disenrolled all the time because they made someone in charge mad (Oklahoma) or maybe they decide they don't like your family anymore and so you're not Indian anymore (California for example). If your statement were true, there would not be 3 separate Cherokee tribes or 2 separate Oneida tribes or etc. -- because everyone would get along and welcome new members as family--but not all families get along. EBCI fights against Lumbee recognition because they don't want a bigger tribe in the state. Tribes fight against other tribes being recognized because of running the risk of losing funding or casino patrons. Tribes cull rolls and close rolls so "new" members aren't created even if they are family and they are recognized as such. These days, a tribe is too much of a business to welcome all the scruffy relatives who show up on the doorstep. But it would b a nice thing if they did.

    Re: Kentucky now facing state recognition

    Donna D
    quote from DonnaS: REAL ‘recognition’ can only come in the form of acknowledgement from their own relatives.


    Donna D's reply:
    True. However, things often don't work quite so smoothly in the real world. People are disenrolled all the time because they made someone in charge mad (Oklahoma) or maybe they decide they don't like your family anymore and so you're not Indian anymore (California for example). If your statement were true, there would not be 3 separate Cherokee tribes or 2 separate Oneida tribes or etc. -- because everyone would get along and welcome new members as family--but not all families get along. EBCI fights against Lumbee recognition because they don't want a bigger tribe in the state. Tribes fight against other tribes being recognized because of running the risk of losing funding or casino patrons. Tribes cull rolls and close rolls so "new" members aren't created even if they are family and they are recognized as such. These days, a tribe is too much of a business to welcome all the scruffy relatives who show up on the doorstep. But it would b a nice thing if they did.




    just as with all aspects of life, nothing was or is ever guaranteed to be fair all the time. The basics of what i was saying - as maybe most (or some) would understand is that if your RELATIVES recognize you - know you through knowing their own genealogical histories - then really, IMHO, there's no real need for state recognition - or even enrollment. What can't be had from federal enrollment benefits through the Nation, it CAN BE HAD through local, state, and federal benefits that are available to those who qualify. There are TONS of people out here (nons) who DO NOT qualify for state health care, federal health care, etc.

    NOTHING is ever perfect or fair for everyone all the time.

    Re: Kentucky now facing state recognition

    Okay--but whenever someone starts with that "who claims you" line--they are wanting to know what tribe you're enrolled in. Whether or not one is claimed by their relatives who are enrolled makes no difference--and who wants to bring all of their family into the fray? It's just too much, too invasive--and what business is that of anyone else's anyway? Then those same people will say their grandkids (who may not be enrolled) are Indian because they know who their family is. It's all perspective. We can't know everything about other people and their relationships. It would be nice if everything were perfect.

    Re: Kentucky now facing state recognition

    Donna D
    Okay--but whenever someone starts with that "who claims you" line--they are wanting to know what tribe you're enrolled in. Whether or not one is claimed by their relatives who are enrolled makes no difference--and who wants to bring all of their family into the fray? It's just too much, too invasive--and what business is that of anyone else's anyway? Then those same people will say their grandkids (who may not be enrolled) are Indian because they know who their family is. It's all perspective. We can't know everything about other people and their relationships. It would be nice if everything were perfect.
    .

    What tribe cliams you ?
    What is your blood quantum?

    Those 2 most dreaded questions ? I have answered both many times in my life. I have never found either to be invasive. Nor was the ever the need to bring any relatives into the issue at hand. When you are an Indian the buck stops with your answer to both those questions.... that is if you are an Indian. Yes I do have a great,great,great,grandmother.But I dont need her to verify who I am.

    Wannabes on the other hand tend to marginalize who they are.

    Re: Kentucky now facing state recognition

    I scored over 99 percentile on the English language comprehension portion of the ACT, but I am not sure what you mean by marginalize. Are you saying that claiming a great-however-many-grandmother is marginalizing the Indian claim--isn't that the opposite of what "wannabes" wannado? I wasn't speaking of generations ago--I was speaking of living, breathing relations who may not want to be drug into an internet fight. As for answering "those" questions, no one has ever questioned anywhere but the internet--and, like I said--what bidness is it of yours anyway? I don't know you or your relatives, but you want to pretend to know and judge mine? How ridiculous and self-important can you make yourself out to be? That's what it comes down to--I can't give you any importance because to me you are merely a faceless sigline. And if, like you, I believed everything Amisa said about people, then I'd have to say you're not Indian--because SHE said so. What did she say your name was?

    Edited to add: I am not looking to get into a fight. I just wanted to show you a different side. If you want to fight, you'll just have to fight yourself--I'm not getting into it. I have said my piece.

    Re: KY "Meeks" not the same as TN "Meeks"

    anon-1
    Donna D
    http://www.wfpl.org/2010/11/18/in-depth-lawmaker-pushing-for-native-american-recognition/

    At least he's talking about criteria--


    Is the Meeks in Kentucky the same as the Meeks that was in Tennessee not long ago? Looks like state hopping...



    Representative Reginald Meeks, D-Louisville claims to be part Cherokee - noted in the 6th paragraph down, in the article. In the article, his comments so remind me of the one here in TN who was initially behind the CONFed group, Nathan Vaughn.


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