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    Where Were The Yuchi?

    Having found new resources for information regarding the days of the Indian wars in upper east Tennessee and SW Virginia, this vast information resource makes us have to ask yet again, "where were these Remnant Yuchi hiding ?" & Rootsweb has hundreds of accurate records of people, places and events. In this vast directory are literally hundreds of accounts of the Cherokee, Iroquois and even the Shawnee attacking and killing settlers on the Holston , Clinch and Powell river systems of SW Virginia.

    Examples are the killing of Samuel Cowan at Houston's fort (Scott co., Va.)in April 1774.(This fort was one hill((North)) over from the Holston.
    The Cherokee(and their families) had laid siege to the fort and killed all the cattle. Soldiers were sent across the Holston(home of the Yuchi?) and the Cherokee and their families left the fort.

    Sep., 1774, Cherokees cross the Clinch mountain to Cove Creek on the North Fork of the Holston(where the Yuchi are hiding?) killing the entire Henry family and taking Samuel Lammey prisoner. This was at Broad Ford(Clay Lick), the EXACT spot the Remnant Yuchi say is their ancestral home!!!!!The Yuchi must have been invisible at that time?

    1780,Iroquois Indians capture Ann and Mary Bush and take them off to Canada . The kidnapping took place in Washington County, Va(the ancestral home and hiding place of the Remnant Yuchi)
    Again, I ask, where were the Yuchi?

    The most famous of these attacks was those carried out by Bob Benge, a half breed Cherokee and his leader, our hero, Draggin' Canoe.
    Benge's "barbaric cruelty" was typified in the dead center of the Remnnant Yuchi's self proclaimed homeland,Washington and Scott Counties on the North Fork of the Holston in April, 1794.
    Benge was famed for eating White people.
    Again I ask, just exactly where were these Remnant yuchi hiding?

    This is just a small sampling of the tons of records of Indian attacks (Cherokee and Shawnee mostly) that typified that era.
    Common sense says if there were Natives living on the Holston, they would have had to have been invisible to go unnoticed and exterminated.
    Anyone who would claim otherwise would have to be either stupid or from another planet.

    This giant stack of papers I have printed will be mailed to Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey in hopes he will take 5 minutes to flip thru them and see that his pet tribe's claims are without merit. This blog will serve as a record that this vast amount of information will be sent to him with hope that he has just a small amount of intelligence and can see that his big Chief Vest's claims are highly suspect.
    If he still persues recognition, his efforts stand proven to be based on lies, conjecture and speculation. History will record the event as a tragedy.

    If you have access to and rootsweb, search for "Indian Atrocities on the Clinch, Powell and Holston Rivers."
    You will be amazed at the amount of data, NOT ONE MENTION OF A YUCHI!!!!
    SPREAD THE WORD!!! This is no time to let up!!
    Your faithful warrior!!

    Re: Where Were The Yuchi?

    2nd post--first one went to la la land.

    Good work Muchan! Keep trying, some people onley see and hear what they want to hear, so you might have to keep on keeping on. I do not recall ever seeing any mention of Euchee or Yuchi in this area of east Tennessee. It's possible they were such minor players that no one paid them any attention, but it would be doubtful. There should at least be a passing mention, such as, "the pioneer family thought they were safe on the borders of Yuchi land, but..." ya know?

    Re: Where Were The Yuchi?


    The Yuchi are a Native American tribe who resided in present-day Alabama until the early 1830s, when they were forcibly removed to Indian Territory (now eastern Oklahoma). Allied at various times and to varying degrees with the Creeks, they played a role in the Creek War of 1813–14, the Seminole wars, and the American Revolution. Today, they continue their traditions in Oklahoma and seek federal recognition as a culturally autonomous society.

    (page 8 of 51)


    The State of Tennessee has documented the presence of Yuchi and Upper Creek Indians in the rugged Cohutta Mountains of Polk County, TN and Fannin County, GA as late as 1911. At the time, they were supplying fire wood and maintaining roads for the copper industry around Copperhill, TN. It is has been theorized that the Yuchi either moved to the Qualla Cherokee Reservation, intermarried with Caucasian families, or else dispersed to larger communities where there were more opportunities.

    10:30-10:50 am: Yuchi, Chiscas, Savannahs, and Westos: Untangling the Seventeenth Century Occupation at Riverfront Village, Aiken County, South Carolina - Thomas G. Whitley, Brockington and Associates

    European trade goods from the Riverfront Village Site (38AK933) indicate a later occupation concurrent with the founding of Charleston (1670) through at least 1715. But radiocarbon dates also predate the arrival of the Westo (in 1660). The evidence suggests the site may have been raided, abandoned, and then reoccupied after the final destruction of the Westo in 1680. It appears that the seventeenth century occupation at 38AK933 may represent a Yuchi settlement established around 1600; more than 60 years earlier than previously thought on the Middle Savannah. The Yuchi (perhaps also going by the name "Chiscas") migrated from the mountains of eastern Tennessee, and were a significant local tribe until they became absorbed into the Ochese Creek confederacy after 1715, and moved into central and western Georgia.

    The State of Tennessee has documented the presence of Yuchi and Upper Creek Indians in the rugged Cohutta Mountains of Polk County, TN and Fannin County, GA as late as 1911. At the time, they were supplying fire wood and maintaining roads for the copper industry around Copperhill, TN. It is has been theorized that the Yuchi either moved to the Qualla Cherokee Reservation, intermarried with Caucasian families, or else dispersed to larger communities where there were more opportunities.

    Yuchi. Significance unknown, but perhaps, as suggested by Speck (1909), from a native word meaning "those far away," or "at a distance," though it is also possible that it is a variant of Ochesee or Ocheese, which was applied by the Hitchiti and their allies to Indians speaking languages different from their own. Also called:

    Ani'-Yu'tsi, Cherokee name.
    Chiska, probably a Muskogee translation of the name of one of their bands.
    Hughchee, an early synonym.
    Round town people, a name given by the early English colonists.
    Rickohockans, signifying "cavelanders" (Hewitt, in Hodge, 1907), perhaps an early name for a part of them.
    Tahogaléwi, abbreviated to Hogologe, name given them by the Delaware and other Algonquian people.
    Tamahita, so called by some Indians, perhaps some of the eastern Siouans.
    Tsoyaha, "People of the sun," their own name, or at least the name of one band.
    Westo, perhaps a name applied to them by the Cusabo Indians of South Carolina though the identification is not beyond question.

    Connections.—The Yuchi constituted a linguistic stock, the Uchean, distinct from all others, though structurally their speech bears a certain resemblance to the languages of the Muskhogean and Siouan families.

    Location.—The earliest known location of the Yuchi was in eastern Tennessee, perhaps near Manchester, but some of them extended still farther east, while others were as far west as Muscle Shoals. On archeological grounds Prof. T. M. N. Lewis believes that one main center of the Yuchi was on Hiwassee River. We find settlements laid down on the maps as far north as Green River, Kentucky. In later times a part settled in West Florida, near the present Eucheeanna, and another part on Savannah and Ogeechee Rivers. (See also Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and South Carolina.)


    There appear to have been three principal bands in historic times: one on Tennessee River, one in West Florida, and one on Savannah River, but only a suggestion of native band names has survived. Recently Wagner has heard of at least three subdivisional names, including the Tsoyaha, or "Sun People" and the Root People.


    Most of their settlements are given the name of the tribe, Yuchi, or one of its synonyms. In early times they occupied a town in eastern Tennessee called by the Cherokee Tsistu'yi, "Rabbit place," on the north bank of Hiwassee River at the entrance of Chestua Creek in Polk County, Tenn., and at one time also that of Hiwassee, or Euphasee, at the Savannah Ford of Hiwassee River. The Savannah River band had villages at Mount Pleasant, probably in Screven County, Ga., near the mouth of Brier Creek, 2 miles below Silver Bluff on Savannah River in Barnwell County; and one on Ogeechee River bearing the name of that stream, though that was itself perhaps one form of the name Yuchi. Hawkins (1848) mentions former villages at Ponpon and Saltketchers in South Carolina, but these probably belonged to the Yamasee. The following Yuchi settlements were established after the tribe united with the Lower Creeks:

    Arkansaw River, in Oklahoma.
    Big Pond Town, Polecat Creek, and Sand Creek, in and near Creek County, Okla.
    Blackjack Town.
    Deep Fork Creek, Okla.
    Duck Creek Town.
    Intatchkålgi, on Opilthlako Creek 28 miles above its junction with Flint River, probably in Schley County, Ga.
    Padshilaika, at the junction of Patchilaika Creek with Flint River, Macon County, Ga.
    Red Fork, location uncertain.
    Snake Creek, location uncertain.
    Spring Garden Town, above Lake George, Fla.
    Tokogalgi, on Kinchafoonee Creek, an affluent of Flint River, Ga.

    History.—The chroniclers of the De Soto expedition mention the Yuchi under the name Chisca, at one or more points in what is now Tennessee. In 1567 Boyano, an officer under Juan Pardo, had two desperate encounters with these Indians somewhere in the highlands of Tennessee or North Carolina, and, according to his own story, destroyed great numbers of them. In 1670 Lederer (1912) heard of people called Rickohockans living in the mountains who may have been Yuchi, and two white men sent from Virginia by Abraham Wood visited a Yuchi town on a head stream of the Tennessee in 1674. About this time also, English explorers and settlers in South Carolina were told of a warlike tribe called Westo (probably a division of Yuchi) who had struck terror into all of the coast Indians, and hostilities later broke out between them and the colonists. At this juncture, however, a band of Shawnee made war upon the Westo and drove them from the Savannah. For a time they seem to have given themselves up to a roving life, and some of them went so far inland that they encountered La Salle and settled near Fort St. Louis, near the present Utica, Ill. Later some were located among the Creeks on Ocmulgee River, and they removed with them to the Chattahoochee in 1715. Another band of Yuchi came to live on Savannah River about 20 miles above Augusta, probably after the expulsion of the Westo. They were often called Hogologe. In 1716 they also moved to the Chattahoochee but for a time occupied a town distinct from that of the other Yuchi. It was probably this band which settled near the Shawnee on Tallapoosa River and finally united with them. Still later occurred a third influx of Yuchi who occupied the Savannah between Silver Bluff and Ebenezer Creek. In 1729 a Kasihta chief named Captain Ellick married three Yuchi women and persuaded some of the Yuchi Indians to move over among the Lower Creeks, but Governor Oglethorpe of Georgia guaranteed them their rights to their old land until after 1740, and the final removal did not, in fact, take place until 1751.

    A still earlier invasion of southern territories by Yuchi is noted by one of the governors of Florida in a letter dated 1639. These invaders proved a constant source of annoyance to the Spaniards. Finally they established themselves in West Florida not far from the Choctawhatchee River, where they were attacked by an allied Spanish and Apalachee expedition in 1677 and suffered severely. They continued to live in the same region, however, until some time before 1761 when they moved to the Upper Creeks and settled near the Tukabahchee. Eucheeanna in Walton County, Fla. seems to preserve their name.

    A certain number of Yuchi remained in the neighborhood of Tennessee River, and at one time they were about Muscle Shoals. They also occupied a town in the Cherokee country, called by the latter tribe Tsistu'yÑ, and Hiwassee at Savannah Ford. In 1714, the former was cut off by the Cherokee in revenge for the murder of a member of their tribe, instigated by two English traders. Later tradition affirms that the surviving Yuchi fled to Florida, but many of them certainly remained in the Cherokee country for a long time afterward, and probably eventually migrated west with their hosts.

    A small band of Yuchi joined the Seminole just before the outbreak of the Seminole War. They appear first in West Florida, near the Mikasuki but later had a town at Spring Garden in Volusia County. Their presence is indicated down to the end of the war in the Peninsula, when they appear to have gone west, probably reuniting with the remainder of the tribe.

    The Yuchi who stayed with the Creeks accompanied them west and settled in one body in the northwestern part of the old Creek Nation, in Creek County, Okla.

    Population.—For the year 1650 Mooney (1928) makes an estimate of 1,500 for the Yuchi in Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee, but this does not include the "Westo," for whom, with the Stono, he allows 1,600. The colonial census of 1715 gives 2 Yuchi towns with 130 men and 400 souls, but this probably takes into consideration only I band out of 3 or 4. In 1730 the band still on Tennessee River was supposed to contain about 150 men. In 1760, 50 men are reported in the Lower Creek town and 15 in one among the Upper Creeks. In 1777 Bartram (1792) estimated the number of Yuchi warriors in the lower town at 500 and their total population as between 1,000 and 1,500. In 1792 Marburg (1792) reports 300 men, or a population of over 1,000, and Hawkins in 1799 says the Lower Creek Yuchi claimed 250 men. According to the census of 1832-33 there were 1,139 in 2 towns known to have been occupied by Indians of this connection. In 1909 Speck stated that the whole number of Yuchi could "hardly exceed five hundred," but the official report for 1910 gives only 78. That, however, must have been an underestimate as the census of 1930 reported 216. Owing to the number of Yuchi bands, their frequent changes in location, and the various terms applied to them, an exact estimate of their numbers at any period is very difficult. In the first half of the sixteenth century they may well have numbered more than 5,000.

    Connection in which they have become noted.—The Yuchi have attained an altogether false reputation as the supposed aborigines of the Gulf region. They were also noted for the uniqueness of their language among the Southeastern tongues. The name is preserved in Euchee, a posthamlet of Meigs County, Tenn.; Eucheeanna, a post village of Walton County, Fla.; Euchee (or Uchee) Creek, Russell County, Ala.; Uchee, a post station of Russell County, Ala.; Uchee Creek, Columbia County, Ga.; and an island in Savannah River near the mouth of the latter.

    Re: Where Were The Yuchi?

    Okay, but none of those locations are anywhere near Kingsport or the Holston River.

    Re: Where Were The Yuchi?

    Donna D
    Okay, but none of those locations are anywhere near Kingsport or the Holston River.


    Re: Where Were The Yuchi?

    Do I get points for playing straightman?

    Anyway, like I said before. I never hear of any Yuchi/Euchee in upper east Tennessee and the voters of Tennessee should be asking for proof as well.

    Re: Where Were The Yuchi?

    heh Yup, you did an excellent job at "straightman"!

    So where and how does the CONFed group think they'll find proof to back up their claims??!


    Re: Where Were The Yuchi?

    What confounds me is that Ramsey has said they have proof. Did he flunk history? We covered local tribes in junior high school.

    that's the billion dollar question!

    Donna D
    What confounds me is that Ramsey has said they have proof. Did he flunk history? We covered local tribes in junior high school.

    Where's the PROOF?! Has ANYone seen it? It's only been 'bragged' about and 'promised' but NOT DELIVERED.

    IF it was available and legitimate, you'd think the CONFed group would be providing copies to any and every person who questioned them! OR, at the very least, providing a source where we could examine this 'proof' ourselves.

    BUH! Doesn't exist except in their imaginations.

    Re: that's the billion dollar question!

    That, too, is my belief, that if they actually had any proof, they would make sure everyone saw it and knew about it.

    Re: that's the billion dollar question!

    You ladies don't seem to understand. Proof or truth has NEVER been part of Tennessee politics. For politicans of a certain cult, it is "what I do for you depends on what you can do for me". Help me get elected, contribute to my campaign; hey, what do you want?

    Truth? Proof of heritage or lineage? Ramsey could care less. Not his thing.

    Re: that's the billion dollar question!

    You ladies don't seem to understand. Proof or truth has NEVER been part of Tennessee politics. For politicans of a certain cult, it is "what I do for you depends on what you can do for me". Help me get elected, contribute to my campaign; hey, what do you want?

    Truth? Proof of heritage or lineage? Ramsey could care less. Not his thing.

    Yeah, we know how Ramsey and his ilk 'work' ... and i foresee a federal lawsuit coming to Tennessee.

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