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    cowards & their lies 3

    Ron '2Dogs' Williams wrote:
    >I wonder why your statements have morphed from "the other coward who wrote these lies"
    >to "Ron 'Two Dogs' Williams' attempt at genealogy: and Two Dogs cites." etc , etc.
    >Is it becuase I would be easier to discredit than the unknown professional genealogist.

    when false information is presented as true,
    it discredits all persons who promote it,
    "Ron 'Two Dogs' Williams" and "unknown professional genealogist",
    ... anybody else you want to involve.

    Re: cowards & their lies 3

    "when false information is presented as true,
    it discredits all persons who promote it,"

    "TwoDogs - am always impressed how easily and willingly you pick up other people's garbage and mouth it as your own. "

    "when the other coward who wrote these lies that you've now copied to this forum --"

    I wonder why your statements have morphed from "the other coward who wrote these lies" to "Ron 'Two Dogs' Williams' attempt at genealogy: and Two Dogs cites." etc , etc. Is it becuase I would be easier to discredit than the unknown professional genealogist.

    When you speak out of both sides of your discredit yourself !

    cowards & their lies
    Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:30AM

    Ron Williams aka Two Dogs copied:
    >1850 Federal Census – St. Louis MISSOURI
    >Ward 1 (Independent City)
    >July 24, 1850
    >Household 492/895
    >Mary Louise St. Cyr- Brassaux, listed as Mary, age 26, born in France, same as her husband Pierre Brassaux.
    >(Living next to some KUHN’s. Are these your people too? Kunesh is a derivative of Kuhn, but I’m sure you already knew that.)

    apparently i'm missing something ...
    - where does it say "Mary Louise St. Cyr"
    - where does it say "Brassaux"?
    - this is what you & your girlfriends claim is proof that members of my family are not enrolled at Standing Rock?
    - a white census of none of my relatives taken before Standing Rock reservation existed
    and 1,000 miles south ?


    come on. an amateur genealogist should be able to do better than that.

    TwoDogs - am always impressed how easily and willingly you pick up other people's garbage and mouth it as your own.

    when the other coward who wrote these lies that you've now copied to this forum --
    the one who calls herself "those that tell the TRUTH are willing to show proof" is willing to take public and legal responsibility for her bogus research, i'll be more than happy to point out the many errors in her assumptions, and invite her to defend her lies in a court of law where libel belongs and truth has a better chance of winning against anonymous innuendoes and faked histories.

    until then, i suggest that you and your girlfriends continue pleading with the enrollment office at Fort Yates for a hardcopy signed letter stating that my mother is not, in fact, an enrolled member. i also encourage you to send them a $100 donation to show your honorable intentions (somebody, at least, ought to be making a nickel off of your frustrated genealogical pursuits).

    for the rest of you watching the early 2009 TNNAC negative campaigning ... anonymous truth isn't the problem.
    it's when people hide behind anonymity to tell "their LIES" that they claim to be "the TRUTH". the only 'repercussion' they're running from is legal liability for their own words. if their words are true, they have nothing to fear. if their words are false, i get their house and car and computer as compensation for the damage they're doing. and yes, fellow Chattanoogans Ron Williams aka Two Dogs and Tammera Hicks,
    you're right in there with her ...
    cowards promoting other cowards hiding behind anonymous message-board postings.

    2nd request to tom

    To obtain a larger copy of the letter from standing rock in reference to your family. The original copy you have posted is too small to read and when enlarged is to distorted. Please supply a larger legiable copy of the standing rock letter.

    K. Wesho-Bauer

    Re: 2nd request to tom

    sorry, no.

    Ron '2Dogs' Williams has said he has proof that my family's not indian. Ron '2Dogs' Williams & hate-list-host Tammera Hicks live here in Chattanooga. we've attended the same meetings and know who each other are. i'm calling him a liar and calling his bluff. all he has to do to show that he's telling the truth (and conversely, that i'm wrong) is to provide the documents he says he has.

    yes, i could provide again the same documentation that i provided to TNNAC and NAIA for review years ago that show my mom's status as an enrolled member of Standing Rock. but nobody challenged it then, and nobody is challenging anybody else's or anybody else's parent's tribal status now. the burden of proof is with the person/s, like Ron '2Dogs' Williams, who say/s he/they has/have proof-positive to the contrary.

    i enjoy my privacy and safeguard it when i can. i've put out what i consider public information - my military service, my academics, my past jobs, my mom's tribal status. i don't publicize my birthdate or address or driver's license status or social security number, i don't publicize my mom's name or enrollment data, and increasingly i say less about myself and my family to protect their privacy too. ... but all that, including my mom's tribal status, can be checked by anybody willing and competent to do the work of checking facts. it's not that difficult. so, i did my work. others said they did the same work but better. i checked their work and proved it wrong. until they come up with better, ie, actually true, work, my claim stands.

    i don't know you. you haven't put out your whole name or address or tribal status or work history or military service or academics or genealogy here, with supporting documentation, that i can tell. you aren't involved with the Commission, you're not in Tennessee. as best i can tell, you don't have any dog in this fight, so i don't know why you're getting involved in this issue.

    but hey, next time you're in Chattanooga, lemme know
    and we can meet, i'll buy you a coffee,
    and we can share stories.


    Re: Re: 2nd request to tom

    obviously any criticism i write about others' incompetent research will be ignored,
    and anything i write about myself and my family will be demeaned and denied by my fan-club of haters,
    and provides you with yet another tangent on which to deviate from the
    original criticism of incompetent genealogical research,
    and your lack of standing on this issue.

    apparently for you to believe and accept any answers, they should come straight
    from the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe directly to you, whoever you may be.
    you have all the info you need. have at it.

    i look forward to you posting their complete, unedited responses. including
    the responses that some of you already have obtained and aren't posting.


    Re: cowards & their lies 2

    This appears very much to resemble the 'genealogy' as posted by Kelly Smith some time back. This was an attempt to discredit Tom Kunesh and veer the attention off herself when her own genealogy was posted showing she had no indian ancestors. I believe if you dig in the archives at indianz dot com and kelly's old board, this is the information she posted.
    She was asking questions of a tribal member and was told Tom's family is Standing Rock. When that wasn't the answer she wanted, she began taunting and attempting to discredit the tribal member providing the information.

    If I'm incorrect, Two Dogs or one of the other readers will correct me.

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