I agree with the E22 and thats just as an observer. Many of us have read the board over the past several weeks and there is a lot of drama coming out of ESP for one reason or another. No one wants them banned for winning and talking smack but when your players start fighting among each other, having cuss fights and stuff that the whole park can hear, have people cussing and verbally abusing kids and then bringing weapons to the park... thats more than enough. How many other teams are bringing this kinda stuff to the tournaments?? If there are others doing the same we are not hearing about it, but we are hearing and witnessing the antics of ESP. Since you were the team that took it on the chin, finished early and so forth it seems that you might put this in perspective and remember the day and have a much better feeling about yourself and your team. You now are letting your gloves and your bats speak for themselves so why do you do this other stuff. Is it a case of do unto others as they have to you??? Is it "Payback" time. You garner respect and glory when you put a team down by beating at the softball game, not by curses, threats and drama.
First, of all I just wish that everyone would have their facts straight before they try to speak on things, instead of trying to speak on something they did not witness. Over the last several weeks it has been alot of he say, she say and I heard this.....Which spreads like jelly and is all twisted. You can't go by everything you here. Hell, alot of this stuff posted on here is bs.
Every team has aurgements and all have done it for years, families even have them. I am not saying I am condoning this. Don't just act as if this just started a couple of weeks ago and is only one team. I am just saying don't speak on what you do not know.
There are going to be snitches, just as you will always have haters. If everyone had a rule book then other teams would not have to inform the new teams of what some of the rules may be or alleviate some the confusion. This just needs to be better organized as it use to be and teams would not be picking up these players. You have to know the background of the person you pick up. Stating that word has it, does not mean it is true. Did you do your homework to see if it is true or not?
Again, just make sure you have your facts correct is all I am saying instead of making false allegations or feeding of what others say.
This is suppose to be recreational and now you have so much going on. Illegal bats that can hurt people and all this stuff is not being checked. So, how many times can teams do this with out being suspended. Once someone get hurts, it will be too late.
You have all these people who want to talk on here and hid behind annoymous names. I think those people need to keep their comments to their self, because your opinion means nothing. What I speak on here, I will speak in person cause, I am real.
Everyone needs to stop thinking of themselves and BASA needs to have directors to run these tournaments correctly and this will also alleviate some of this mess.
It would be really nice if we could go back to having managers meetings before tournaments so everyone can be on the same page and this give us a chance to voice some concerns about things. The umpires need to have meetings also and go to the umpire training clinics. Rule books need to be give out at the beginning of each year. I have on for ASA and NSA and USSSA. I think of have spoke enough. Everyone have a nice day!
THe problem that people are speaking of concerning ESP, that I have read, is not hear say stuff. Its actually post that some of the players have gotten on here and stated. I know alot of hear say goes on on the board but then you have the ESP players come on here and validate the "hear say." So, Ms. L.A. the facts are there. THe threats and all the other stuff, I have read myself and I dont even know who these guys are.
Look ESP knows that the behavior pattern they have exhibited lately is wrong, they know if they want to continue in BASA tournaments they must curtail this racious behavior, simple as that, they have common sense, they have internal issues to resolve, handle yo own business ESP, before somebody handles it for you and it it's the BASA you won't like the results
Observer, apparently you did not read my comments correctly. I am not just taking about my team, I am talking about all teams and issues I have heard. Enough said to you.
Ghost, we know that we have some things to change and handle, which we are tending to our own business. And about your threat "before somebody handles it" you are nobody and whatever. I will not sit on here and argue with you, cause I don't have to and am better than that. I was just make some comments about everything and one in general and making a few suggestions. So, think and say what you want cause, it means nothing to me!!!!
P.S. just make sure I don't have to snitch on you.
Excuse me you misunderstood what I was trying to say, some people want your team banned for life, I want to play you and beat you on the field, so i want you around. I'm saying get your act together so we can have soome memorable battles and party together afterwards, caus the only reason we do this is to have fun am I right
Oh, Ghost I am sorry that I misunderstood you. Yes, we want to play each other and party afterwards.
This internet thing was delt with and has been taken care of and is over. I was just speaking of all teams and all issues. I don't take up for my team if they are wrong. Just seems like right now this are just crazy with everyone.
Thank you White boy, nobody never wants to talk about the good things. You are right, words are one thing but when someone put their hands on you(Cincy) that is defending yourself.
Everyone talks stuff it, is a part of the game to throw you off in your game. Every team has argued and fought each other.
Indy fan, Your right you are on the outside looking in, just as you are hiding behind this post. Supposed look it up in the dictionary. I get tired of hearing teams, people, ect. threating to quit cause a team is playing or doing arguing, fighting. My words to you QUIT then if you want to that's your right. I am done with this.
I do not respond to men/women who are not real and must hide. So, QUIT THEN BUSTA.
E22,not for winning,nice points!Im sure you have witnessed profanity,arguing,fist fighting,in parks for years right?(from whomever)Do you seriously think,it will stop if eastside is not in the park?I ask that question b/c i fell as tho alot of teams get rowdy,use bad words etc..which i didnt really notice until i started watching other games to there entirely.Those teams are not notice until an incident accurs right?Now,take a team(esp)that pulls up in a park in 20 cars,music popin,heads bangin,everybody entering into the park Together,etc..u are notice from the lot,and eyes are on you through out right?So basically u have made yourself notice right?So the notice one says"Who are these clowns and where did they come from?"Bad foot already huh?No,now you just have a team wanting to smash ever team that comes in front of them,and when you watch them play,they have fun together.And yes they are rowdy,loud,etc..just like everyone else,but chemistry makes it look mobbish!!
YOU ARE RIGHT,ALOT OF OTHER TEAMS ARGUE CURSE AND FIGHT BUT THER MUST BE A LIMIT ON YOUR BEHAVIOR IM SURE YOU HAVE ONE IN YOUR HOME . ALL IM SAYING IS LETS NOT FORGET OTHERS IN AND AROUND THE PARKS WE PLAY IN,SOMETIMES THINGS DONT ALWAYS LOOK AS THEY SEEM BUT WHEN YOUR ACTION DEFY YOUR WORDS AND YOUR APPEARANCE NEGATIVLY SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TO PREVENT CAOS OR THE NEXT FELLA WILL THINK ITS OK TO DO..
gotta agree with that!As long as it applies to everybody!
WHEN WE DONT PLAY BY THE RULES WE MAKE OURSELVES LOOK LIKE FOOLS.
first off white boy you would have done nothing and second the only players that really know are the two that was in the play. i don't even know why you brought this that back up. our player felt that he was trying to make a play and the player from esp thought it was dirty, but after everything was calmed down we finished the game and had another game with no problems. We TBI had no ill feelings towards esp and love playing against them guys. whatever happen in indy i can speak on because i was not there but im sure esp will take care of what they need to. hey whats up MS L.A, sorry we couldn't make it to indy but im sure wil see you guys in the lou.
Much love tbi#24!
E22,you right,rules are First!Mail me a copy of yours b/c mine might be different!
Hey TBI#24 I was looking for you in Indy. You are correct it was taken care of then and squashed. Hope to see you in the Lou.
Yeast you are right. When he mails you a copy then give me one or he can fax it to me.
Ms. L.A., again let me stress. My response was only from the tad bit Ive read on here. Im not saying that ESP is causing problems. Im just going the words a few players put on here. Again, I dont know them and i hear they are a bunch of great guys and like I always say. You dont get talked about if you're not a good team. So, more power to them and good luck to you all the rest of the year.
Who cares about that other stuff.....All I want to know is ya'll clowns(my boys) coming to the ATL .....what's up Bye and freak, Ms LA calm dem boys down.... show don't want them to be banned.....Don't leave your A game in KY.....Ya'll got to defend that title.....we watching/waiting!!!!!1 Holla
MS LA WOULD YOU PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL
YEAST#7 UNFORTUNATLY I HAVE NO OFFFICIAL RULE BOOK, BUT INTEND ON RECEIVING ONE SOON, IT WAS SHARED WITH ME THAT SOME INFO CONCERNING BASA RULES SHOULD BE AVAILABLE REAL SOON.ALSO MAY I SUGGEST THAT EACH TEAM ORGANIZATION BE GIVEN A RULE BOOK AS PART OF YOUR BASA SANCTIONING FEE,READ IT LEARN IT LIVE IT.THAT WAY WHEN AN ISSUE COME UP AT A TOURNEY ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REFER WHOMEVER HAS A QUESTION TO THE CORRECT RULE AND BE DONE . NO GAME STOPPING NO NEED TO KEEP BOTHRERING DIRECTORS OR OFFICIALS,YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO KNOW THE RULES TOO.JUST THINK WE COULD POSSIBLY BE ON OUR WAY TO RUNNING A TOURNEY IN A TIMELY FASHION WOULDNT THAT BE A CHANGE....
o yeah! that would be nice!
THEY SHOULD BE BANNED 4 LIFE!MY KIDS OR SOMEONE ELESE'S KIDS OR GROWN FOLKS COULD HAVE GOT SHOT.THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR FUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.
NO THEY SHOULD'NT BE IF U DON'T NO WHAT U R TALKING ABOUT
PLUS WHERE U THERE?
ALL THOSE WHO R 4 ESP halo..............
esp has a great group of guys that can play the h**l
out of some ball a can nobody take that for them.
all this talk about banning that team is bull****.
let them boys play ball.
PLEASE KNOW THE DIFF. FROM GUNSHOTS AND FIREWORKS
THERE IS A BIG DIFF.
Who you wit? Eastside. I've been watching Eastside play for years & they've always been a rowdy team (for the good). I really hope that whatever issues & playa hatin' that's going on can be resolved & everybody can just play ball.
whatever the problems are they will be resolved so quit hating. ESP FOR LIFE
I am not condoning anything close to conflict that goes past mere arguing, but let's face it....Most of the frustration is from the poor organization that the BASA is promoting. ESP isn't the root cause, and I hate that people are trying to make them a scapegoat, for a tournament in INDY that should have been great, but was marred by BASA inconsistency! ESP wasn't the only frustrated team in INDY! I saw many frustrated teams over the poor umpiring, lack of knowledge of the umpires, inconsistency in the director's decision-making and flat out no rules at all (men and women's teams). To all of you who think I'm making this up, let me give you some true examples that I discovered in my investigation:
1) Park waited 45 minutes for a team from St. Louis to show up, only to give a team from Cincinnati, a forfeit after 15 minutes!
2) The ladies played on a field in which the mound was not at regulation distance. Instead of making the change to prohibit risk of injury, they just allowed the games to keep on going. Not taking anything away from the eventual champion, but that field gave an unfair advantage to teams with patience at the plate. More research would probably say that most pitchers walked more batters than they normally do?! Hope no ladies hurt their arms, I'm sure they are sore!
3) The intercom screamed every 20 minutes for teams to pay their fees and turn in their roster prior to their first game?! You mean to tell me, nobody was checking for an illegal player until Sunday? Sounds to me like MONEY over MATTER! I can bet that City Hitters didn't get their entry fee back? And what about the teams that City Hitter beat? Aren't they deserved of a refund?
4)It should be of note that the park fell 2 hours behind on games Saturday (See #1), causing some teams to have to play at 7am on Sunday! Call me a tournament novice, but I asked around and nobody had ever heard of a tournament starting at the crack of dawn on a Sunday?
5) BASA umpires need better training! I heard hundreds, and I literally mean hundreds of players asking, "IS THIS BASA OR U-TRIP?" I heard from one of my sources that he asked an umpire and got a response of "IDONO"
So, you see ladies and gentlemen, let's not bash ESP just to make them scapegoats. We need rulebooks fast! BASA is creating an environment of confusion by not having one, and it is spilling over to it's product. The players and the teams!(Also see Graystone Blogs)In closing, there will always be a team like ESP! Those of you who have been around, can name them as you read in your head! Banning them is not the answer? And anyhow, show me what constitutes banning a team in the BASA rulebooks?! OH, I forgot......There is no BASA rulebook! Whatcha know about that?