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Subject:   Re: Re: Ms. Hodges, Please Resign
Name:   M-a-d-d Ray
Date Posted:   Apr 11, 07 - 7:08 PM
Email:   RarelyL84ad8@aol.com
Website:   http://www.motorcyclists-against-dumb-drivers.com
Message:   Duck,

You have sidestepped the point of the above posts above, and waving the Constitution provides no rebuttal. No one here is any less patriotic and no one here values any less than you the protections afforded by our Bill of Rights. No one here has expressed any disagreement with the proposition that every citizen has the right of free speech, and most importantly, the right to petition their government according to their personal convictions. But if the Chairman of the Democratic Party were to go to Congress, and in his official capacity as Chairman of the Democratic Party, urges the return of slavery, I think you would agree, I hope, that it would be legitimate for other Democrats to exercise their free speech in criticizing his speaking on this issue in the context of his lobbying in his official capacity, and to call for the resignation of the Chairman. It would also be appropriate for citizens to call upon the Democratic party to make its position on slavery clear, if it had not already done so, so that in the future it would be clear to Democratic Party officials that they must not urge their personal positions for the return to slavery in their official capacity as Democratic party representatives

Ordinary citizens like us might also wish to avail our right of free speech, in this process, to argue, among other things, the "pragmatic" point of view, as we have above, that for the Chairman of the Democratic Party to lobby for the return of slavery, in his official capacity, and while meeting with Congressmen for some element of the official Democratic platform, that it could be detrimental to the achievement of the programs central to the Democratic party platform.

Taking out the word "slavery," inserting "immigration reform," and substituting MRF for the Democratic party, the foregoing is the direct analogy to what has been urged in the postings above, and I do not accept that you can credibly take the position that we should give up our free speech, either in urging the resignation of Ms. Hodges, as Bruce has done above, or calling for MRF to make explicit that immigration reform is not a part of its official biker rights platform, as I have done above.

I don't think that you would argue that it would be a bad move for our bikers rights representatives, in their capacities as representatives of their SMRO, to urge a return to slavery. And I think you might recognize the detrimental effect that the insertion of the return to slavery position might have to alienate our legislators and our SMRO membership regardless whether you personally might like to see a return to slavery.

I use the extreme example above not as an analogy to the substantive positions of Ms. Hodges or those who would seek immigration reform. I personally am in favor of tightening our borders, both with Mexico and Canada, for example, in the interest of preventing future terrorism; and just because it seems to me ludicrous to so carefully check the background of those who enter the United States by air and sea, but permit anyone, including terrorists, such easy entry into the United States through our porous borders. If I thought about it I could probably come up with even more extreme examples of my personal political point of views. Given the events of the last several months, instead of pulling out of Iraq, I personally would prefer it if we moved into Iran. How's that? But if I were to meet with legislators in the context of urging a bikers rights platform, in my official capacity as an officer of an SMRO, I would consider it a violation of my trust as an SMRO officer to vent my personal political views, like bombing the shit out of Iran's nuclear facilities, particularly when they may not form a part of the SMRO's biker rights platform or even be detrimental to the platform.

Hey Duck, good luck with your new project at Biker Republic.

"Madd Ray" Henke
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More here... by Bruce Arnold · Apr 15, 07 - 7:43 AM


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